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More Twilight Criticism
I've now read up to pg. 285, and it's getting cheesier by the sentence.

Anyway

- Edward following Bella is incredibly creepy. Need I say more?

- Furthermore, what the hell? They just have dinner and talk in the car. How does this translate to being OMG SO IN LUV with each other? While I'm on it, why don't Edward or Bella have a more abrupt reaction to her realizing he's a vampire?  No, wait, I know. Because she's SO special! I do see that Edward saved her life and all that, but it's almost as though they don't react at all.

- I also have an issue with Edward constantly being around Bella after that. First he's cold and aloof, then he does a total 180. Unconsistant characterization, ahoy. The bits about how they really don't want to be seperated are incredibly overdramatic. Although I have to admit that the enormous chunks of the book with Edward and Bella together are more amusing than anything else.

- The Edward mind-reading thing is cool, but his block in regards to Bella simply ruins it. It's entirely too convienent for both of them. 

- Why joke about the hunting? Not only is it mildly frightening, but hardly casual topic for discussion. The issue of Edward's eyes in relation to his "thirst" is just cheesy. Why must that have any sort of identifying factor? It would be a more effective plot device if Bella couldn't tell at all. 

- Some of the descriptions of Edward are so corny it's painful. Example: "He grinned his crooked smile at me, stopping my breath and my heart. I couldn't imagine how any angel could be more glorious. There was nothing about him that could be improved upon."- Page 241 *gags*

- All the crap about how their trip together is privotal to their "relationship" sickens me. What relationship? They're both delusional, at best. I understand that Bella could be exaggerating, but tone it down, please. 

- Charlie's going fishing on the weekend of said trip is too coincidental. Bring in some outside conflict. It's bound to happen. 

- The matching outfits? Not neccessary. That doesn't make for an interesting plot detail. 

- The meadow they go to sounds nice, but I really wish the gratuitous Edward descriptions would stop. Super strength? I can understand the lightening-fast reflexes, but everything else is just too much. And what kind of pansy-ass vampire sparkles in the sun anyway? 

- Bella's blood being exactly the kind Edward craves is just disturbing. The lion and lamb analogy is clever, though. 

- On the other hand, using the above as the reason for Edward's mood changes is just a lame excuse for poor characterization. It makes sense, yes, but it's so twisted that the confusion it creates detracts from the story. But then, because of that nobody would notice the heinously bad writing, so that's why Meyer decided to bring it up so much later. AHA! I have discovered her evil ploy! 

- I'm just kidding about the above. Well, only slightly since it is mildly confusing and the writing is that horrible. Sad but true.  I think she continues to use it for Edward's mood swings in the meadow, actually.

- Moving on. I'm too tired to think of something snarky to say about the running bit. Besides, I think that speaks for itself. 

Conclusion: Edward is a Gary Stu. At least, he is through Bella's eyes. I get the feeling that Stephenie Meyer just thought about one of her hormone-induced fantasy men from when she was a teenager little too much and decided to put him in a novel. That explains why some of the girls I know are crazy about him. And that's pathetic, considering that the descriptions of him aren't that good. I repeat, use more original adjectives and hold the cheese.

 
I can't believe I'm making myself read this trainwreak.........




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[info]shadowsyra
2008-07-17 07:51 pm UTC (link)
THANK YOU. I always suspected that Edward was a Gary Stu but now someone has confirmed it for me. I heard the last book is going to be this book from Edward's point of view.

Hahaha. Maybe I should just read that one and hope it isn't as hormonal. I mean, maybe Meyer meant to make this book like it is since it IS coming from a teenage girl who would think these things. But that begs the question of why Meyer thought anyone would want to read such an atrocity?

"He grinned his crooked smile at me, stopping my breath and my heart. I couldn't imagine how any angel could be more glorious. There was nothing about him that could be improved upon."- Page 241

That has seriously almost put me off of the whole series forever. :/

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[info]anna_the_fair
2008-07-17 08:46 pm UTC (link)
Well, to be perfectly fair, he does have some flaws. However, they are by far overshadowed by his OMG SUPERNATURAL abilities. *laughs hysterically* So then we'd be treated to Edward's gushing over Bella, then.

Actually, it's not so much that the material is hormonal, but rather the mind it is coming from. In any case, it's so ridiculous that it was the only conculsion I could make. True, but if she makes the distinction that Bella is so special, couldn't she make her more mature to prove that? Who knows why Meyer thought why it would be a good idea. I'm strongly tempted to write a fantasy vampire novel somehow and show people how it's done.

Haha, then I suppose you don't want to hear the other overly generous, glorifying Edward paragraphs. Maybe I should use them to torture people.....

In any case, writing about how bad this all is, and actually reading the novel is equally horrible. Oy.

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(Anonymous)
2008-07-19 02:37 pm UTC (link)
omg i love your little picture icon on the left there. Donnie Darko + Labyrinth fo' life :L

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[info]shadowsyra
2008-07-19 06:41 pm UTC (link)
Thank you. :) It's by [info]icons_of_isis.

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(Anonymous)
2008-07-19 02:34 pm UTC (link)
i bought the first book a couple days ago. firstly, i agree the technical writing is quite horrible in some/most places. i kept thinking as i was reading: lord, i wrote like this when i was like twelve. which kind of actually made me cringe because i had written a story with a similar level of 'unreadable-ness' at that age.
i actually wondered, if there are so many editing and overlooking and proofing stages between first draft and final publication of a novel, how could any dingbat pretty much miss all the cheese leaving grease marks on the paper?
but im a sucker for the storyline and the theme and the main romance idea. i just feel like she really missed something awesome by the amateur writing. it IS possible to write WITH BEAUTIFUL WORDS a harrowing passionate love story between two completely disparate people: Romeo/Juliet, Catherine Earnshaw/Heathcliffe; that the writing can have such a quality that you can take out quotes and just treasure those by themselves. its like SM slips from this opportunity alot- there arent too many passages in the book, if any, that you can isolate and kind of dwell on for a while cos sometimes they're shit. i think Twilight is still exciting but readers have to make it that way for themselves. and readers have the ability to do that with the story idea that SM put forward. Vampire true love with insignificant everyday ordinary girl. I DO believe SM tapped into something there.
i thought since i only bought the first novel a couple days ago i would wait a while until the book wasnt so new anymore - then take to it with a pen, scratch and scribble some of the ill-used words, and do away with some sentences altogether. A couple of irritants: some of the sentences didnt flow you know? and it was like she was doing a Mariah Carey and just looking at the thesaurous for a couple of smart looking and totally unneccessary words where one classic knockout wouldve done more effectively. lots of adjectives ending in 'ly' that disrupted the flow of your reading; she used 'clearly' alot. Too often. Her writing definitely distracted from the story. but i give her credit for main notions. despite the cringy words, i really do love the idea of a difficult, complex intense romance. just wish wish wish to death she'd written it better.

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[info]fuckingromance
2008-07-28 05:27 am UTC (link)
Maybe I'm incredibly cynical, and also really late in the game, but this is the first I've started suddenly hearing about this book/series/movie stuff.
After reading a basic Wikipedia description, I'm pretty convinced that I want nothing to do with it.
Any story that involves forbidden vampire love and werewolves AND is recommended by Teen Magazine makes me want to automatically want nothing to do with it.

It's things like this that make the people I know write hack Werewolve (pseudo)erotica.

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Not the new Harry
(Anonymous)
2008-08-06 05:52 am UTC (link)
Well, i'll admit. i read the first book, and i loved it. i had never really read a romantic novel before, and i thought twilight was sexy. i loved how edward was so unreachable and cold, so it made me want to read more to find out more about him.
but once edward told bella that he loved her, it all went downhill from there.

it just got so repetitive! "Bella! i love you!" "Oh Edward! I love you too!" and the characters just got so annoying and unrealistic.

Edward ditches bella, so bella becomes close to jacob black. (i thought that was good). but as soon as edward returns it's bye bye jacob and bella's obsessed with edward again. their relationship got so shallow. basically bella thinks edward's hot, therefore she doesn't notice how stalker-ish and obsessive his is and falls madly in love with him. There was no real conflict. I had to stop reading the books halfway through eclipse because the plot was going no where.

i started rooting for bella and edward's relationships to fail simply because it seemed like it never would. I wanted some random, average, human guy to walk in to the story and fall in love with bella so that she could see that there were other options than angry jacob and cheesey, over-dramatic edward. but of course, no one ever did.
(warning, spoilers ahead)

after breaking dawn came out i went onto wikipedia to see if edward and bella actually did stay together, and of course, they did. my, how unexpected and surprising. (rolls eyes sarcastically) they got married, had a baby, and bella becomes a vampire too. gee, what a thrilling conclusion.

all in all, im glad i didn't continue reading the books because it sounds like i could have just guessed the ending anyways.

I can't believe people are comparing twilight to harry potter. Harry potter's characters are original, funny, unexpected, unpredictable, and most importantly NOT annoying. Their dangers/villains are real threats to the characters, and the conflict carries throughout the series intelligently. Finally, harry potter is witty and clever. twilight just became plain and predicable. There is no comparison, harry potter is genius.

in 200 years i know people will remember the name Hogwarts, but who will remember Forks?

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Re: Not the new Harry
[info]anna_the_fair
2008-08-06 02:46 pm UTC (link)
Ugh. For the record, I also hate Harry Potter. It was interesting at first, but after the 5th book it became clear very fast that J.K. Rowling's writing is incredibly mediocre.

Really? What about Lord of the Rings? It's already been remembered long before Harry Potter was even written.

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SHALLOWEST BOOK EVER WRITTEN
[info]loonysimpkin
2008-11-12 02:09 am UTC (link)
I am totally convinced that Edward is a Gary Stu and Bella Swan (plus her baby daughter) are Mary Sues. I mean, the story looks like it was written by those 11-year old mary sue fans from fanfiction.net! I mean, can Stephanie Meyer be anymore stupid? I wanna thump her in the face!!!

NICE ENTRY BY THE WAY!!!

^^x

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Re: SHALLOWEST BOOK EVER WRITTEN
(Anonymous)
2008-11-30 08:42 am UTC (link)
so so shallow i couldn't stand it. bella started loving edward unconditionally because he was desperately beautiful (such descriptions of edward must have been repeated like 1000 times in each book). that's really just about it. even when they were married and had renesmee, bella still couldn't get over how perfect and godlike he was (fancy a mormon using the word 'God' to describe a vampire. Heresy!). and during her wedding, bella kept thinking that she couldn't possibly be good looking enough for edward. it was only when she transformed into a vampire that she felt like she and edward were 'equals' when she looked at their reflection.

I am so upset that this supposedly religious author is 1) glamorizing a love that's based on looks, and 2) making appearance so important in life and an integral part of her character's self worth. does she realize what her messages are doing to the teenage minds?

and please, the movie sucked. sure i think robert pattinson is hot. but seriously, kristen stewart had 1, at most 2, facial expressions throughout the movie. the scene where she was at the hospital and told edward that he could never ever leave her was completely stiff. if i hadn't read the summary on wiki, i would have felt kinda lost watching it. too many things were left unexplained, e.g. why play baseball during thunderstorms? in the movie edward just said "you'll know why," but in the book it was explained that the vampires hit the ball so hard that they needed a thunderstorm to mask the hitting sounds.

if i had a kid, he or she will not get to read this book. or at least not without me telling them beforehand the negative messages that they need to look out for.

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Re: SHALLOWEST BOOK EVER WRITTEN
(Anonymous)
2009-05-25 02:01 am UTC (link)
"e.g. why play baseball during thunderstorms?"

I just watched the movie, never read the book and it was pretty clear to me why they played during the thunderstorm, it really wasn't that hard to wrap your mind around it.

Not that I'm defending the book by any means, I don't think it was too great either but that part definitely wasn't as hard to comprehend as you're making it out to be.

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[info]monica_black
2008-11-19 03:42 am UTC (link)
Okay, this may seem weird, but I found this by typing in Twilight AND criticisms on Google because I was sick and tired of people constantly praising it.

And I agree with a lot of what you say. The Cullens being vampires is supposed to be a secret from the people of Forks (I just about died when I found out that it was a real town) and Bella found this out. Shouldn't he be freaking out.

A lot of things that Meyer says are horribly cliched (like the quote you use). Which you're supposed to avoid in writing.

I have to laugh, she holds an English degree and J.K. Rowling doesn't, yet Rowling writes much better. Not in a Kurt Vonnegut good, but better.

Edited at 2008-11-19 03:43 am UTC

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Me too!
(Anonymous)
2009-01-14 02:07 am UTC (link)
I am teaching for the first time this year and have graded about thirty book reports on Twilight. I was concerned by the things that the students were getting out of the book and thought it was time to look into the books myself. I typed in Twilight Criticism too and stumbled upon this. Great posts by the way! The thing I am most concerned about after reading the students' reaction (mind you I haven't read the books yet) is that they appear to be implying that Bella is in need of a man to save her. Am I misguided in reading their papers? Is Bella too flat of a character to be self-sufficient at all or is this a sign of deeper issues?

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Re: Me too!
(Anonymous)
2009-04-30 05:07 am UTC (link)
It takes a bit of deeper reading to notice, but yes, Bella is seemingly unable to function without a man to save her. Or a man at all. I'm going to use New Moon as an example here, Edward leaves, and Bella seemingly can't live without him, so she throws herself off a cliff.

Not the best example to young girls, if you ask me.

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Re: Me too!
(Anonymous)
2009-09-02 01:51 am UTC (link)
i agree. Bella is an insanely weak minded character. What was all that crap about in Breaking Dawn: "Of course i would keep my heart beating. Hadn't I promised them i would?" or something like that. Sorry Bella, did you forget that in the second book you "promised" Edward that you wouldnt do anything stupid/reckless? What does she do? She creashes a motorcycle-twice-and throws herself off a freaking cliff. And she doesn't find any of that ironic?????Stupid Bimbo.

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copy rights
(Anonymous)
2008-12-11 02:19 pm UTC (link)
i just watched the movie, i am beyond disgusted, half the plot is stolen from other authors, the whole werewolf vs vampire, glittery skin, and not being able to read her mind? The first two are from Laurell K. Hamilton's "Anita Blake, vampire hunter" (vamp vs werewolf for love of chick) and "Merry Gentry" series (glittery/glowing skin) and the 3rd is from the "Carpathian" series by Christine Feehan and "Argeneau" series by Lynsay Sands (not being able to read her mind therefor making her his mate).
The characters don't have character, they lack passion and lack motivation, i got the feeling they are both obsessed teens looking for love in the wrong place, shes in love with him being a vamp and him because he can't read her mind and she smells good...
In layman's terms, it sucks.

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Re: copy rights
(Anonymous)
2009-06-24 05:55 pm UTC (link)
In the Southern Vampire series (long preceeding Twilight) the main character (Sookie) is a telepath, and falls head over heels for a vampire (Bill) because she can't read his mind.

Who knows where the kid that wrote Twilight took the idea...unoriginal regardless.

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(Anonymous)
2009-01-02 09:26 pm UTC (link)
I also found this post searching for "twilight criticism", though I was trying to look for some sort of literary criticism, someone trying to make sense out of why this is such a big pop cultural phenomenon when it clearly sucks... bad. I saw the movie first, and I literally laughed out loud so many times at the cheesy plot line (glittery skin, are you fucking kidding me!?) and horrible dialogue. Yep, you're 17 years old and totally 100% ready to commit your eternity to this guy you've never even had much of a conversation with. That's EXACTLY what we want 13 year old girls reading -- books that confirm their hormone fueled "I'll die for you!" obsessions that most of us look back on with some level of embarrassment once we're out of those years. Yeah, "eternal love" in high school, THAT is something we should be supporting. Since I had a few weeks to kill during winter break, I figured I might as well read the whole series, since my sister already owns the books. The second one was probably the best, mostly because OMG EDWARD!!!! is absent for a while. But holy shit, the melodrama just does NOT let up. Renesmee? Are you SERIOUS? The whole time I was reading this series I was trying to describe it to my boyfriend... I was trying to describe the reason I felt like this was something I would have enjoyed so much when I was 12 or 13, but now find utterly repulsive. Then FINALLY, after stumbling upon this livejournal entry, I've figured it out. Mary Sue/Gary Stu!! Of course! Bella, Edward, and especially Renesmee, are totally characters I would have thought up while writing some misguided Harry Potter fanfiction back when I was in the dark depths of puberty. It's one giant adolescent female wet dream whose popularity rides on deeply rooted cultural themes aimed at that demographic: eternal love, unsurpassed beauty, damsel in distress syndrome...

Poor sexually repressed, horny Mormon Stephenie Meyer. I heard her "Adult" sci-fi The Host did terribly with critics.

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About the Author...
(Anonymous)
2009-01-26 10:46 pm UTC (link)
I tried to read The Host... god this book was just as bad as Twilight. Do not read it, for it is just the same thing - filled with a girl obsessing over a guy.
Just a little advice... :)

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Anne Rice
(Anonymous)
2009-01-12 09:34 pm UTC (link)
I totally agree - If you want to read a good series about vampires, read the Vampire Chronicles by Anne Rice, not this Twilight trash.

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[info]takemeto_utopia
2009-02-07 03:06 am UTC (link)
i'm glad i'm not the only one who thinks that edward FOLLOWING BELLA AROUND is weird. like, i have a frikking problem with that? just because your in love with someone does not give you the right to eliminate their privacy. but apparently bella doesn't have a problem with it. i pretty much want to shoot her - there's actually nothing about her character that i like. i'm loving reading your reviews - it's nice to know i'm not alone in this!

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(Anonymous)
2009-04-19 06:29 pm UTC (link)
Please forgive me, but I would just like to step in on your conversation for a moment. I don' disagree that the series may not be up to the same standards as some of the literary classics that we have all come to love and respect over the last few centuries, but I really think that critics should really relax a little. First of, there criticism "I could have written it better myself" doesn't stand, because if you could have or can--then why don't you? If published, I'll read it and offer you the same respect I would any author Nabokov or Meyer. BTW Nabokov--a revered author-irritates me and I can read him perfectly well in his native tongue, but each time I do (English or Russian), I feel like his "language rolls dislexic on my tongue (Nicholas Samaras quote). Anyway, just remind yourselves sometimes that even a badly written piece of fiction can be great fiction because of not necessarily how it is written, but how it makes the reader feel. Many young women have fallen in love with plenty of literary characters that were popularly taught in their time--Onegin being one great example. Even while is was an atrocity of a man for how he treats poor Tatyana and how condescending he is to her declaration of love and to the risk she takes to bravely declare it--young women were in love with him.
You're more than entitled to you freedom to pick apart Meyer's novel and her characters, but don't be condescending to the readers who love the work. We have all fallen in love with absurd things here and there throughout our lives, just be careful to remind yourselves of that every once in a while. Oh, and give credit to our young women and men--they're not as dense and gullible as you make them out to be. :)

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[info]takemeto_utopia
2009-04-19 11:25 pm UTC (link)
i'm very sorry - i never meant to condescend! i'm sorry if that's how you took my comment. the truth is that i didn't like the books and i don't like stephanie meyer's writing or her characters - but that is my completely subjective view, and i understand that not everyone will share it. i don't understand the hype surrounding these books at all - but i have no problem with the fans, as long as they don't try to convince me to like it or abuse me for not agreeing with them. i have my opinion, they have theirs, and you have yours. i'm very sorry for any misunderstanding, and that you i'll definately be more careful with how i phrase my arguments in the future =)

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Sweet merciful crap...
(Anonymous)
2009-05-11 06:54 am UTC (link)
We'll start with a mini bio. I'm a dad. My daughter is 13. Totally in love with these books, the film. All things Twilight. My friend who is in her 20's is also awe struck by all things Twilight... I've been published a few times myself. I DO NOT strive to be a writer, but some things just get written. Now.... my daughter is into the WORST tripe I've ever read or watched. My friend is now someone whose opinion I can no longer respect on literary or cinematic content. I can write better. I have written better, and yeah.. when I was 12. I wish for the purpose of letting girls mature without the enforcing of obsession over pretty dudes.. that this series of "books" never saw the light of day. To add. Nobokov..kinda sucked. Rawling... over rated but passable for the demographic with no negative enforcement. Tolkien...not that great either. Though to defend on the comment of not being original, please tell me when the last original main stream book was written. I'd love to think it happened after 1802... though I have my doubts. There is NO SUCH thing as an original story anymore, just tell a good one. That'll do pig. That'll do.

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Re: Sweet merciful crap...
(Anonymous)
2009-06-23 09:04 pm UTC (link)
"I wish for the purpose of letting girls mature without the enforcing of obsession over pretty dudes.. that this series of "books" never saw the light of day."
I'd be interested in your criticisms of pornography, because I was under the impression that it didn't let boys mature without enforcing obsession over pretty women.
Girls were going to obsess over pretty dudes with or without this series, so that isn't much of a criticism.

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[info]primitivepeople
2009-07-30 07:20 pm UTC (link)
I just Googled "twilight criticism" and came here! I've just reviewed Twilight on my own LJ, here. I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks this book is utterly revolting, really quite creepy, very shallow, and full of the most unpleasant, unlikeable characters ever.

Bella is weak and pathetic, and Edward is just revolting. It reeks of an abusive relationship, and it's foul as a result.

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Amatuerish writing, flat characters... why is this popular?
(Anonymous)
2009-08-03 08:15 am UTC (link)
This is one set of books I will never, never understand how they are popular.
The writing reminds me of what I wrote like when I was in my early teens, and I've never claimed to be a good writer even now, it reads like a poor fanfic.
The romance is so horribly cliche'd and predictable... Worse, the book reeks of junk stereotypes, even in the first few pages.
To quote another person here, yes, Bella does "need a man to save her." The fact that this is promoted in the book as a *positive* thing in a relationship that is almost completely based on extremely shallow factors makes me cringe in horror, particularly since people actually PRAISE it!

I can understand young teenage girls liking it, even if I disapprove. Adults don't have the ignorance and hormones of childhood as an excuse.

For a long time I distrusted the praise the books got, and I could barely read any of book one before I had to put the thing down in utter disgust. There's no defending something this bad, and I've lost a lot of respect for the people and editors that heap praise on this.

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Re: Amatuerish writing, flat characters... why is this popular?
(Anonymous)
2009-09-03 09:20 pm UTC (link)
"There's no defending something this bad, and I've lost a lot of respect for the people and editors that heap praise on this."

I so agree. There's just no excuse if you think this is good literature. Or even a well told story. A guilty pleasure, yes. But a favorite, a book to suggest to others? Hellllllz no!

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(Anonymous)
2009-09-04 12:25 am UTC (link)
hmm,

i have been thinking why is this series so popular and this New York Times Magazine Article I read came first to my mind. http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/25/magazine/25desire-t.html

Besides the fact that the books are not particularly well written, I believe the author tapped into some very important psychological/emotional/genetic? truth to the nature of a woman's desire to be wanted by the one she desires. Lucky for the author, she can take it to the bank.

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twilight
(Anonymous)
2009-09-05 03:20 pm UTC (link)
the whole book was very dragging and written only from the point of view of a girl which i think did not appeal the mass.And I very much agree to the first comment where it is said that belle did not react when edward confessed his identity.It was very strange.I did not like the book at all.The book has been unnecessarily made that fat.And this plot is nothing very innovative as there has been innumerable similar movies in hollywood.

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unnecessary exaggeration
(Anonymous)
2009-09-05 03:22 pm UTC (link)
the whole book was very dragging and written only from the point of view of a girl which i think did not appeal the mass.And I very much agree to the first comment where it is said that belle did not react when edward confessed his identity.It was very strange.I did not like the book at all.The book has been unnecessarily made that fat.And this plot is nothing very innovative as there has been innumerable similar movies in hollywood.

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(Anonymous)
2009-09-13 05:11 am UTC (link)
LOL you guys are all extremely funny with your comments! I agree with everyone. Twilight sucks, but Meyer is out there with her cash. No one is going to tell her she writes bad anytime soon unfortunately :(((

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Fanfiction
(Anonymous)
2009-09-26 03:18 pm UTC (link)
I looked on wikipedia for more information on the books, to imphasize to my mother how bad the books were. Not only to Stephen King, a well acclaimed author critisize the books worth, and he is concidered the king of horror by many, and Anne Rice the queen of the vampire novel, but there was this quote from one Josh Taylor.

"Congratulations, Meyer, you’ve taught a generation of young women that they should pursue not only Mr. Right, but Mr. Perfect, who never exists and never will. You have taught a generation of women to create hybridised, contemporised, plagiarised versions of classical literature combined with warped dreams. You have tainted literature. Though, most of all, your writes help a generation to rite gooder."

As a fanfiction writer, which I do to help improve my writing, I've seen way to much of this effect in the quality of writing. See, for those who don't know about fanfiction, and I assume that the author of this post does, as they used the term Gary-Stu, fanfiction is where one goes and creates a story based off someone elses work because one has an idea or a what-if or a plot hole filler that one comes up with. It is rather interesting.

First things first, I don't venture over to the Twilight fandom. Not only have I not read the books, but I have seen to many fanfics that are Twilight knock offs that take the wrong impression from the books. And yes... it is likely that these are younger writers. Basically, what goes on is that they get the idea, I've read Twilight, so lets write a story from in this other fandom based off of what I know of Twilight. And here are the results.

The first I saw was a Harry Potter fanfic that was a vampire one. Not only did the vampires in there NOT fit her version, but also many versions of vampires I've seen. I've read Dracula, and quite a few one shot vampire novels, one that evenhad a far nicer romantic story and stronger characters then hers. To bad I can't remember the name. So, I began to do some research, and I became... rather lack lustered in about the books, when I had heard so much about it. And yes, one saw some pretty high end cliques in the fanfic, and everyone gushed over it. Disterubing. I actually see a lot of those.

The second thing I see is people actually trying to take characters from one fandom and stick them straight into her plot. I've had to call out people that if you take half the plot from the storyline, you in actuality are plagerizing it. You have to go and take it and make so much of your own, it isn't recognizable, or barily recognizable. Of course, an arguement made earlier is that the author didn't actually try to come up with her own ideas, but simply rehatched new ones.

The third thing I've seen is, people who are writing the good vampire fanfics, are now finding the need to state in author's notes, wether or not they've read Twilight, and what other influence they have and/or how much of an influence plays into it. And yes... there is a HUGE difference between those who have just read the Twilight novels, and those who had read or seen more. I've told many of the lower down ones to please go and find another source for vampires, if they really want to write a vampire fanfic, because her work in no way cuts it.

We basically have a prolifaration of Mary Sues and Gary Stues in fanfiction because of this, and some people are turning non-Mary Sue/Gary Stu canon characters into these kinds of characters.

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(Anonymous)
2009-10-18 04:26 am UTC (link)
Firstly, I gotta say I absolutely loved this page.I just googled for twilight critics and came here. Secondly, I'm a teenaged girl.And even I don't like the book.
I so totally agree with ya'll.The book's simply too corny.I watched the movie first.Man Kristen's impassive.Plus,I think they totally made her a different than in the book.The storyline was awesome.Like I said,I'm a teen so the idea of finding your "Prince Charming" in the least expected place,that too one where you'd rather not be,and to have him obsess over you is gives-you-goosebumps fantastic.
But her writing plain sucks. I mean, after having read Harry Potter first,I just felt like "Why am I reading this?" At places,it seems like she doesn't have a good vocab.But I wanted to see how it ends so I read all 4 of them.
Edward,non-existent and impossibly non-believable.I think there are more possibilities of a vampire existing than a guy as "perfect" as him existing.The superhuman abilities can be explained by the fact he's supernatural but superstrength of character and abstinence?What the..and he can bring himself to not bite the one girl whose blood is most alluring to him,even when they are...um...consummating,but he can't bring himself to avoid her for her own good?Miss Meyer kinda kills her own story.I don't think she thought it out first.Like,not wanting to sound doctrinal,but in Harry Potter,everything makes sense.You never feel like "Where did this come up from?" Everything is related and so in sync,it's completely believable,even when you know it doesn't exist.
Bella,another weak character.I mean,she makes a mistake and wastes pages in "remorse" when actually she's only trying to justify her move.Both Kristen and Bella have tainted my kind.

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[info]pippychick
2009-10-26 09:15 pm UTC (link)
Like many others, I came here after googling "twilight criticism" since I have just posted a great deal of it myself on facebook. I'm not going to go into my personal views on the series, I just wanted to make a point after a comment that was made earlier about how this has become popular.

Over the last decade, I've noticed there has been a dramatic decline in the number of published novels that can be called adult supernatural horror, or even supernatural in any way whatsoever. The shelves are filled with thrillers of the Dan Brown variety where everyone is searching for some kind of scroll or stone whilst being pursued by nameless assassins in vatican city. *yawns*

I love a good bit of supernatural fiction, particularly horror, and more specifically the sub genre of erotic horror which Clive Barker and Anne Rice both do very well. James Herbert also has an erotic undercurrent to his writing which while not explicitly stated, feels good to my mind.

But, lately, even Stephen King has resorted to writing thrillers rather than good scary stories with monsters in. The market for supernatural fiction is still out there, and the success of things like Harry Potter and the Twilight series proves it. If only the publishers would let a good adult writer fill the gap, we'd all be happy.

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